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| Q: | What is the proper chemical SCA (supplemental coolant additive) concentration for my engine? |
| A: | A chemical concentration of 1.5 - 3.0 UPG (units per gallon) should be maintained in your cooling system at all times. |
| Q: | Is your SCA DCA4 inhibitor compatible with Nalcool/Penray additive? |
| A: | Fleetguard's SCA
is compatible with Nalcool/Penray chemicals. When testing a mixed coolant
for SCA content, always use
Fleetguard's CC
2602 test kit for proper chemical concentration
measurement. |
| Q: | What is the difference between DCA and DCA4? |
| A: | The difference between the two forms of DCA is the chemical makeup. DCA is a borate/nitrite based additive. DCA4 is a phosphate, nitri
te and molybdate based
additive.
DCA4 is recommended by many OE
manufacturers, including Cummins, Navistar, Ford, John Deere, and others. |
| Q: | How much DCA4 should be added at service intervals? |
| A: | It depends on system capacity. If no test results are available, use 1% to 2% of liquid additive or 0.1 to 0.2 units per liter of cool
ant. |
| Q: | What is the probable cause of nitrite leaving the coolant while molybdate remains at normal level? |
| A: | This condition is caused by excessive exhaust gas leakage into the coolant and /or topping off the additive package with some other ni
trite-free additive. |
| Q: | My cooling system is contaminated with silicate gel. Can I remove this with plain water?
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| A: | No. Fleetguard
recommends using its alkaline-chelating cleaner
RESTORE Heavy Duty Cooling System Cleaner/Restore.
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How to Protect your Diesel!
Supplemental Coolant Additives (SCA's) are important to ensure long diesel
engine life. Their primary function is to protect the cylinder wall from cavitation
erosion (pitting). Secondarily, they bolster the anti-corrosion additives in
antifreeze. The purpose of SCA is to prevent cavitation erosion of the cylinder
lines. The additive concentration should be checked every 4 months to assure
that it is properly maintained. If the coolant system develops a leak that requires
additional coolant to be added, the SCA concentration level should be checked
and DCA-4 added as required to maintain the 1.5 to 3.0 units per gallon level.
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Has
This Happened To You?!?
I am an owner of a 1989
Ford F350 PU that has a 7.3 Liter Diesel Engine...or should I say had.
After 108,000.00 miles, my motor developed pin holes in the block which
caused major damage. I serviced the truck, including changing the coolant,
and maintained detailed and accurate records. However, this did not help
because I never added a coolant conditioner which is very important in
diesel engines. Ford does not even mention this conditioner in their maintenance
guide! And to make matters worse, two local Ford dealerships which serviced
my truck in the past said they never heard of this problem. I now
have a truck that is useless. After calling Ford and informing them of
the problem I was told that the truck is out of warranty, which doesn't
help me one bit. If there are other owners out there who have this problem
please E-Mail a Message or POST
A COMMENT on our comment
board so we may futher assist Ford in recognizing this problem.
Responses
From People With the Same Problems - and don't forget to see additional
comments on our MESSAGE
BOARD!
1.
THIS IS A SAD CASE OF BS FROM FORD. YOUR NOT A LONE IN THE PROBLEM IM A
MECHANIC IN CALIF, WERE WE DON,T REALLY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE DCS/DSC LEVEL
TO OFTEN THE REASON THE LEAKS OCURE IS THE CASTING PROCESS IS TO PORISE
AND THE VIBRATION/FREQUNCY CREATED IN THE ENGINE WHILE RUNING MAKES THE
OXYAGEN ACT AS A BORING TOOL. THUS THE PIN HOLE AS FORMED IN THE CAVITY
OF THE ENGINE OIL GALLEY OR THE LINER BORE OR THE SUMP/OIL PAN. THERE IS
NOTHING BUT LOWERING THE CAP PRESSURE AND ADD MORE NALCOOL OR WIX COOL
TO THE SYSTEM. THE ANTI FREEZE SHOULD BE 50/50 OR BETTER.
RANDY R&K ENTERPRISE
2.
We have encountered
the same problem in man 6.9&7.3 engine also in the new 6 cyl in-line
ford diesel. We repair them by installing a repair sleeve in the effected
cylinder. Philip Ingram Auto & Diesel Machinist Inc. Birmingham Al.
PDI1@P* com
3.
You may be interested
to know that U-Haul, a major user of these engines, uses heavy-duty coolant
practices to prevent the cavitation problem Thiese
practices typically
include:
1. Use of a "Fully
Formulated" diesel coolant meeting Maintenance Council
Recommended Practice
"RP329" (The Maintenance Council of the American
Trucking Association)
2. Use of Pencool
(formerly Nalcool) supplemental coolant additive to
maintain the coolant
quality and prevent problems with cavitation.
Some antifreeze
brands that meet RP-329: Navistar FLEETRITE, Prestone
Heavy-Duty, Old
World's FLEETCHARGE, Detroit Diesel POWERCOOL, Caterpillar
Heavy Duty Antifreeze,
Fleetguard COMPLEAT, Quaker State antifreeze, Pronto
antifreeze, John
Deere Antifreeze, Autoguard, and Trust. Also recycled
antifreeze from
Antifreeze Environmental Service, Superior Products and
Toxguard in Califonia.
More info: Pencool@AOL.com
Ed Eaton
Director, Tech
Service
The Penray Companies,
Inc.
1-800-322-2143
4.
READ YOUR ARTICLE
ON THE FOR ENGINES, AND FOUND IT QUITE INTERESTING. I HAVE A 1986 FORD
WITH THE 6.9 AND AT 98000 MILES I HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM, WHICH CAUSED THE
MAIN BEARING TO SPIN ON THE CRANK, SO I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. I BOUGHT A LONG
BLOCK AND PLAN ON USING THE COOLING SYSTEM ADDITIVES IN IT,I CURRENTLY
HAVE ABOUT 30,O00 ON THE NEW ENGINE. I WASN'T AWARE OF THE PROBLEM UNTIL
I READ YOUR LETTER SO THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION.
5.
Date: Thu, 04
Apr 1996 17:41:16 -0800 From: zulman@express.ca (Zulfikar Ali Manji) To:
anatale@shopdiesel.com
I read your page
and I have managed to get some info for you from work. I work for an engine
rebuilding shop; last month we rebuilt almost 100 engines of your description.
It seems sleeves were installed in all on the left bank, apparently to
stop coolant to seep in to the area with oil. I have two pages of info
if you are interested let me have your address and I will mail them to
you. It will take me ages to type them all to you.
6.
Subject:
Ford 6.9 and 7.3
liter diesel engines
Date:
Mon, 01 Jul 1996
15:03:35 -0700
From:
"Gary A. Spires"
Organization:
Fleetguard Inc.
To:
anatale@shopdiesel.com
Use of Fleetguard
DCA4 liquid or filters containing DCA4 will prevent this problem. Navistar
International, the maker of these engines, has long recognized that they
need supplemental coolant additives to prevent cylinder wall cavitation
(liner pitting). Navistar installs Fleetguard DCA4 into the engines at
time of manufacture. However, one precharge dose is not enough. You must
add additional doses of these coolant additives on a regular basis (such
as at every oil change) to rebuild the lost inhibitor package. These chemicals
are sacrificial compounds that are used to put a microscopic coating on
the cylinder walls (coolant side). Since they are sacrificial, the concentrations
need to be tested on a regular basis and more DCA4 added to maintain a
MINIMUM precharge level of 1.5 units per gallon of coolant capacity. For
more information on Fleetguard DCA4 coolant additives and filters contact
Fleetguard Service Engineering at 1-800-22FILTER, select option 2.
7.
Subject:
Ford 7.3 &
6.9 diesel engines/cyl wall pin holes
Date: Fri, 07
Feb 1997 23:13:13 -0800
From: jehman@netcom.ca
To: anatale@shopdiesel.com
First of all Ford
does recognize this problem. There is a technical service bulliten about
this exact thing. Any Ford dealer that isn't famillar with this problem
should not be a Ford dealer. I am a parts manager for a large ford dealer
in Canada. We know all cyl. wall pitting in diesel engines, it is very
common. I have no reason why Ford does not add this info into the owners
manual. The reply that you recieved from the gentleman from Fleetguard
very good, it states exactly what has to be done to maintain the cooling
system in that engine.Ford of Canada sell DCA4 (their part no. FW-15).
Our dealership is well informed on how it works and why you should use
it. I feel your problems are not with Ford, but with the particular dealers
you are dealing with.
8.
Subject:
Ford 7.3 &
6.9 diesel engines/cyl wall pin holes
Date: Thurs, 13
Mar 1997 23:13:13 -0800
From: Neil Anderson
To: anatale@shopdiesel.com
I just bought a
'97 F 250 with the 7.3 L powerstroke. The service manager impressed upon
me the importance of a periodic recharge of the coolant additive, as mentioned
in the other e-mail messages. According to Fleetguard, DCA4 is sold by
Ford as FW-15. The owner's manual for the powerstoke engine says that the
use of FW-15 "aids in the prevention of scale buildup on the internal parts
of the engine" -- nothing is mentioned about pitting. Ford's recommended
maintenance interval for the coolant is every 15,000 miles, for normal
or severe use.
9.
Subject: Ford
Diesel Engine Coolant Problems
Date: Mon, 28 Apr
1997 08:47:22 -0500
From: "Wade W.
Wagner" <wwagner@tcmail.frco.com> Organization: Fisher-Rosemount Systems
To: anatale@shopdiesel.com
I appreciate the
information!! I purchased a 96 F250 7.3L in June of 96. Within one month,
I had already put in 10 gallons of coolant. I took it back to the dealership
for repair. The dealership kept it for one month. They replaced both heads
and gaskets and then returned it to me. One month later, the truck was
doing the same thing. Ford said they have never heard of this problem.
They called Navistar and they said the same thing. The truck was back in
the shop a couple of months later and Ford replaced the whole engine. The
new engine is not exhibiting the problem....YET!! You are not alone and
I appreciate the information.
10.
Subject: 7.3L.
Ford
Date: Tue,
25 Nov 1997 14:53:12 -0500
From: bswanson@netcom.ca
To: anatale@shopdiesel.com
I just thought
I should let you know that cavitation, the process by which this problem
occurs is a common operational characteristic of any diesel engine. It
is sad that your local dealers did not know of the problem. The responses
you recieved above by Fleetguard & jehman are of help to you I hope,
but I must also add that if you buy a diesel you should have it serviced
at a dealer with a diesel or heavy truck department. These tech.s will
have the best knowledge of proper maintanence and care for your engine,
compared to a car & light truck only dealer who may not know the best
way to care for your vehicle. Again the Ford part # for the coolant additive
is fw-15. DCA levels should be checked with every oil change and fw-15
will likely need to be added at every 2nd or 3rd oil change intervals.
For those out there with the Powerstroke 7.3L, an added note to this should
be to make sure you strictly follow the oil change shedule reccommended
by Ford, or you could run into all sorts of engine running problems due
to depletion of the additives (anti-foaming agents) in your diesel engine
oil.
11.
Someone at your Ford dealer is blowing some serious smoke up your
backside, or they have no one on their staff that
works with diesels. I am a Ford and Cummins certified diesel technician at
a Ford dealer. There is even instructions in
the Ford service manuals that explicitly spell out how important it is to
use the FW-15 coolant additive in the diesel
engine. I've also read in this message board about mysterious cooland loss
in the Power Stroke engine. I have run
accross the inserts in the cylinder heads that the injectors mount into
occasionally leak coolant. This can be remedied
by simply replacing the inserts and applying the proper amount of loctite
sealant to the new inserts. I just stumbled
across this website and I can say that it is nice to hear from all you
good folks that own Ford diesels and see some of
your concerns first hand. As a tech I rarely get to hear the customer
myself. Any of you can feel free to e-mail me with
any questions you have, and I will do my best to get you accurate and
honest information for your concern. Jasen
Andersen truckslammer@yahoo.com
Jasen Andersen
Omaha, NE USA - Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 20:36:54 (EST) from
cras33p21.navix.net
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